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I feel like I'm abusing/grooming my son. . . (self.antiwork)

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[–]No_Whereas_3380 2240 points2241 points  (52 children)

This is absolutely vomit inducing.

Let me be clear, I am in no way calling out OP. I am calling out the bullshit system that we are all a slave to. Look at how young they are breaking down the spirit these days in an effort to train humans to be slaves of the corporate overlords.

Makes me sick.

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OP I feel for you, and I am sorry for your situation.

[–]mixedcerealwithoj 576 points577 points  (30 children)

I very much believe we should adopt an education system and time frame like the French. They only go to school for 5-6 hours a day. They have most their homework completed AT SCHOOL with the aid of teachers and tutors. And they have more breaks than the typical American school year. It's been shown that less school time, waking up layer, and little to no homework actually aids students. Forcing children to wake up at 6am, go to school at 8am, leave school at 4pm, and then do homework from 4:30pm- 8pm has shown the hurt kids. It's sick.

I'm sorry your son has to be educated in America. But this is no way your fault as if he isn't educated that's also considered child abuse. I'm so sorry op.

[–]WalmartGreder 173 points174 points  (11 children)

I went to French schools for 3 years. I was at school at 8, left at 5, and attended half days on Saturday. I normally had 2-3 hours of homework a day.

The school year went from Sept 15 to June 30.

Yes, we did have a week break in October, 2 weeks at Christmas, and a week at Easter, but my school time in the US was VASTLY superior timewise to my time in France. Plus, the schoolwork itself was much harder. It was pretty common for 2-3 kids to fail each grade and have to be held back.

[–]dragnet883 74 points75 points  (3 children)

Christ thats brutal! School in Scotland is 9ish til 3ish monday to friday! 7 weeks off in summer 2 in october 2 at christmas and 2 at easter with half terms in february. I couldnt have coped with those hours as a kid!

[–]Mor_Tearach 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Plus one of my grandsons is in an outside school in Scotland and it's amazingggg. He's a constant motion kid so perfect but they'd have done it anyway. Takes awhile to scrub him up after school, who cares? No homework.

Awesome, awesome set up.

[–]lakeshoremarlboro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never heard of an outside school. 🤔

[–]olleyjp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Side note it was 7 in summer then 1 in October, then they switched it to 6 for summer and 2 in October!

However, it’s amazing that we know kids need that level of break from school work, adults, nah. 4 weeks total is enough see ya!

[–]mrstarkinevrfeelgood 10 points11 points  (2 children)

The schedule sounds awful but you should be held back if you don’t understand the material assuming you don’t have a disability. You need to build on the foundation you got from the previous year to learn properly. Though in actuality summer school is definitely enough if you only failed one or two classes, you don’t have to retake a whole year.

[–]WalmartGreder 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh yeah, I agree. I'm just saying, the schoolwork is sufficiently hard enough that a few kids fail EVERY year.

Even when teachers in the US held back kids, it was rare.

[–]mrstarkinevrfeelgood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never saw anyone get held back but I’m assuming it’s partially because of no child left behind laws as well immense pressure for funding to pass kids changing how we view school. Only the kids who really didn’t care about their education and failed multiple classes ended up in summer school, they never were held back.

[–]69420over 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wait so better here or worse here? The usa I mean

[–]WalmartGreder 5 points6 points  (0 children)

USA was MUCH better. Because even if I had an hour of homework, it was still better than what I had to do in France.

I was in 10th grade equivalent in France, learning physics and chemistry that were the equivalent of college classes. Their projects were harder (write 20 pages on Napoleon's campaign against Russia and why it failed). Every class was filled with dictation, where the teacher would start talking and you would have to write down exactly what they were saying.

And then the grading! When teachers handed back the assignments, they would comment on each person's work, and they were not afraid of being insulting. "Oh Pierre, you got a 5/10 (a passing grade). That was pretty bad. You need to do better." "Emilie, you got a 3/10, stop being so stupid." My brother was once told, when he didn't answer a teacher right away, "Tu es tres lourd" (you're really heavy, meaning a huge burden).

My freshman year of college was easier than 10th grade high school in France.

[–]Proper-Beach8368 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I did the same but we also had two hour lunch breaks. I lived for those amazing school lunches!

[–]WalmartGreder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a good point. I do remember the lunch breaks. And the school lunches were excellent. Appetizer, main course, bread and dessert.

[–]nodopamineforme 35 points36 points  (0 children)

What are you talking about?? I went to french school and the hours at school were way longer, and we had lots of homework after. The academics were so rigorous, but i felt like i was learning interesting stuff.

When i switched to the canadian system, i was shocked at how early the days ended and how little homework i had. I felt like the day was only halfway done when it was finished.

Maybe you're thinking of some different european country.

[–]Dobbys_Other_Sock 29 points30 points  (1 child)

During Covid the school I teach at went to a structure where classes met for about 30-40 minutes in the morning virtually (half one day, half the next) and then the teachers had office hours in the afternoon for students to do their work independently and talk with their teachers if they needed help. Now, there were issues with this, mostly the online part which was less effective then in person learning, but I thought it was a really nice structure and they should consider adopting it all the time.

[–]mixedcerealwithoj 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I agree. There definitely should be time set aside in school for homework. Forcing children to attend 8 hours of school then do 1-4 hours of homework a night is wrong.

[–]Sedu 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Half the country is obsessed with the Puritanical belief that happiness is fundamentally wasteful, and that it is your moral imperative to work yourself to death, then fall into an open grave so you don't bother anyone by dying.

[–]baritonebackpacker88 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I Broadly agree with you - do you by chance have any research/lit around less school time?

[–]DodGamnBunofaSitch 17 points18 points  (0 children)

later school starts help students learn

(that might not be what you were looking for, but that was the top result to that link text as a google search)

[–]mixedcerealwithoj 6 points7 points  (0 children)

https://www.idtech.com/blog/benefits-of-shorter-school-days#:~:text=With%20shorter%20school%20days%2C%20kids,rising%20in%20kids%20and%20teens.

https://phspenndulum.org/5002/editorials/shorter-school-days-increase-success/

I'm sorry, it's the Norwegian schedule I'm finding references too. I did see something of the case study for the French to American student schedule a few years ago, but I'm having difficulty finding it now. I hope these links help. Please let me know If you'd like anything more.

[–]JustDiscoveredSex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fairly certain The Teenage Liberation Handbook lists a bunch of studies. Not clear on how often it’s updated though.

[–]LeDarm 17 points18 points  (0 children)

You qlso have the German template, not qure its still a thing but basicqlly they have classes in the Morning and spend their afternoon doing all kinds of extra curricular activities

[–]AdGroundbreaking6289 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like there should be times where there is hw tho

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s like that in Canada too, never really had homework even in high school

[–]funkyfreesodabuddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly how it is in my public school in America. Frisco has one of the highest rated school districts and my 1st grader has no homework and no grading.

[–]cuppa_tea_4_me 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then it’s not homework is it?

[–]caribousteve 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And then the school districts pay thousands for consultants to tell us how to be trauma informed while the basic thing we are doing is not trauma informed or even development informed. The best thing for lots of situations I have thought through in many meetings is putting the academics on hold. Kids learn through their interests. You dont need to drill on their weaknesses. Theyre mean cause they literally dont know how to be nice and detention doesnt work. It even seems like admin agrees with this perspective if they keep sending us these consultants. But we still have to worry about test scores, teach these awful curriculums, and keep time full of academics.

[–]fuzzyblackelephant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a very sneaking suspicion they’re going way too hard on the homework. No way would a 1st grade teacher want kids working on school work for more than ~15 minutes at home, maximum.

Reading however, should probably happen on top of that. A bedtime story, something the kid really loves and wants to read to continue to improve/maintain reading skills. I would want my child reading everyday for a small chunk of time-homework or not. Instilling a love of reading in young kids is so important for their educational future; so it’s really imperative to find books they: love & are at their reading level, and of course don’t overdo it/make it miserable.

[–]Pinktiger11here for the memes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wake up at six? Casuals. I’m in high school and I wake up at 5:00, leave at 6:00, take two hours of public transit with no seats, get to school at 8:15, and repeat on the way home. Fuck American schools

[–]BioshockEnthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They only go to school for 5-6 hours a day.

But then mom and dad can't work their full 8 hours and maybe a bit of overtime.

[–]redditbagjuice 77 points78 points  (5 children)

I only started getting homework in high school, within one year I realized they were asking too much of me so I stopped doing most of it if not all. Turned out fine.

[–]Calm-Limit-37 1 point2 points  (0 children)

we didnt get any until middle school

[–]PrinceBunnyBoy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100% why we shouldn't even be playing into their game. Raising kids to be cogs in the corporate machine is one of the reasons I'd never have them, they won't be free just like 99.99999% of our ancestors. This bullshit ends with me.

[–]White_Dragon_Coranth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No kid wants to be stuffed in a box for eight hours a day...

[–]IVIrVegas_21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Remember kids, in an age of unprecedented technology and innovation, we still have the same school system from the last 100 years.

[–]Mammoth_Ad_3463 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup. Imagine my sardonic laughter when teachers were telling us how we needed gym class and to get more exercise and I said its hard to go for a bike ride when I have hours of homework to do after school and I am not allowed to ride my bike at night.

[–]half-puddles -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

I’m almost positive with every post in this sub but this is plain bullshit.

Education is key and takes its toll. You don’t get education by giving your child a smartphone and let them watch TikTok.

You really do want your kids to be educated no matter what it takes.

Once educated, it’ll enable them to make their own choices.

Seriously. Every single shit gets upvoted in this sub but come on!

Yes, your kids need to go to school. They need to have support from their parent on top of that.

You don’t like it? Don’t have kids.

[–]La_la_gal 5 points6 points  (3 children)

What a response. Just because OP disagrees with the school system, they shouldn’t have kids? You’re a part of the problem.

How do you think systems change for the better? They change because people like OP speak out about what’s wrong with them. I would say that they care more about their kid than the average person to take time to consider how their kid’s childhood years are being stolen from them. Most parents just fall in line, not thinking about the toll on children.

There is not only one way to learn. You learn by experiencing the world, not spending hours (after 8 hours of school) on homework.

How much do you remember about what you were taught in school? How much do you use in your current profession? You will, however, remember valuable experiences.

No one is saying kids shouldn’t be educated. OP is simply saying that 8 hours a day is enough. Kids are being groomed from the time they enter the school to be workers, fall in line with the man. If you don’t see that, then I’d guess you’re brainwashed by the system.

Kids should be kids. And they should be original, not compliant. Don’t steal their spirit and light.

[–]half-puddles -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Excuse me, what’s the alternative?

A 5 minute Zoom call a day? Sorry but that won’t cut it.

Also, education is an experience that can be very exciting. You learn stuff, you expand your horizon and you get to open yourself for things you wouldn’t even know they existed. And yes, it takes time and effort.

It’s not like 8 hours a day every day in a sweatshop. It’s 8 hours a day interacting with others and learning exciting stuff.

Don’t give me this being compliant nonsense.

“We don’t need no education” - yeah, bullshit.

[–]La_la_gal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The alternative is that 8 hours in school is more than enough.

6 year olds have an attention span of 12-18 minutes. (https://www.brainbalancecenters.com/blog/normal-attention-span-expectations-by-age).

Do you think they are retaining anything after 8 hours of school, let alone after first period?

Wake up. The education system - every system for that matter - is built to serve corporate interests; it was never designed to provide benefit to the kids who are a part of it.

We prescribe kids adhd medicine left and right for not being able to get through the school day. Is it the kids’ attention spans that are the problem or the structure of the school day?

You’re clearly too programmed by the system to understand an alternative perspective. You can disagree but to take it to the level of saying that OP shouldn’t have had kids is absurd.

And also, maybe you’re the one with learning difficulties, because I never said “we don’t need no education”; I said that kids don’t need to come home and do homework. They need time to be kids because they’ll never get that time back.

In the spirit of what you said, I hope you never have kids. It’d be a drag growing up in your household.

[–]half-puddles -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And this is the problem. You, not me.

First you call my out for something I’ve never said: OP shouldn’t have kids, if they can’t cope.

Then literally tell me that you hope I’d never have kids on my own.

You are a disgrace. But this is the internet and every dumbnut can have their opinion.

I have a wife and two daughters - thank you very much.

They go to school, learn and interact with their friends.

And I still do some math and writing exercises with them in the afternoons. It’s not a chore. Neither for them, nor for me. They are my daughters and I’d do everything I can to prepare them for life.

And we also go on holidays. Quite often.

When was the last time you have left your apartment?

Good lord…

[–]AshenSacrifice -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

It’s always been like that though lol this isn’t new. This is America

[–]celery48 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It has not, in fact, always been like this.

[–]WestCoastBestCoast01 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Kids just did hard labor instead…

[–]celery48 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Preschool is now what first grade used to be. And homework in elementary school was unheard of.

[–]mydogsnameisbuddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bootstraps don’t pull themselves! /s