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I feel like I'm abusing/grooming my son. . . (self.antiwork)

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[–]Repulsive_Raise6728 5171 points5172 points  (228 children)

Former teacher here and 2 hours for a first grader is insane. The recommendations I always saw were 10 minutes per grade. So, for your kid, like 10 minutes of reading or writing or some easy math facts.

I would investigate if this is a school-wide thing, or a teacher thing. If it’s a school-wide thing, it’s likely that your son’s teacher knows how insane this is and can’t do anything about it because admin has decided that’s what’s going to make their school look good. Please don’t harass your child’s teacher if it’s school-wide. Go straight to the AHs that are implementing this policy.

[–]RoseOfTheDawn 1403 points1404 points  (56 children)

i remember in first grade we would get a packet a week and the whole packet would take me 30 min. so if you spaced it out it'd be like 6 minutes a day

[–]TnekKralc 739 points740 points  (28 children)

I vaguely remember them trying to give us homework in 1st-3rd and I vividly remember never once doing it

[–]WheresFlatJelly 405 points406 points  (15 children)

I did my son's homework; he's 29 now and smarter than me. I couldn't be more proud

[–]baudmiksen 335 points336 points  (4 children)

have you tried finding more homework to do?

[–]allywaytoday 25 points26 points  (0 children)

This made me laugh so hard I cried! Thanks for the belly laugh today!

[–]Ill_Drive_1944 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Didn’t get the joke 😞

[–]SaraSmile2000 7 points8 points  (0 children)

…because she’s not as smart as her son. Do more homework to become smarter.

[–]Mayor__Defacto 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Many people (myself included) find homework to be a tiresome and fruitless exercise, because we learn better by reading and talking than by sitting down and writing out the tiresome worksheets.

[–]Not_Here_Senpai 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Same here. I'm a fantastic learner, terrible student. I will refuse to do homework, write a paper, or study outside of class. But if it's a subject I care about, the ADHD takes over and I consume.

[–]Dizzy_Combination122 119 points120 points  (5 children)

This is the best answer. My mom did my homework sometimes too, I’m 29, my life is fine, I have a job and house. As long as they are doing the work in school, they are fine.

[–]swheat7 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I was just telling my husband the other day how my dad used to do my math homework. I turned out just fine.

[–]julcarls 17 points18 points  (3 children)

This makes me feel so much better. My stepdad would scream at me and I vividly remember him throwing a heavy, hardcover math book at my head when I was 9. Now that my kids are a little older than I was when that happened, idc, I’ll give them the answers. They’re both doing great in school. I crumpled to the pressure of grades and hours of homework in high school after being a straight A, gifted student. Barely graduated because of it. Hopefully my kids have a different experience.

[–]Even_Spare7790 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Because you’re aware of what happened to you. Your kids will turn out fine.

[–]Sword_Enthousiast 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yup, that's the great thing about parenting. We get to break the cycle of passed down traumas from countless generations.

And in the process we'll give our crotchgoblins a whole new batch of issues <3.

[–]Even_Spare7790 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I am right at the edge of “spare the rod” and “everyone gets a trophy” generations. Kids always have a way to blame the parents even if they do a good job.

[–]tcat37 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My daughter did my grandson’s homework all during Covid. The result is that he feels no need to complete assignments. When they went back to in person learning, he felt no need to complete assignments. The result is he barely passed 5th grade and is struggling in 6th grade already. I think you have to allow some acceptance that life is sometimes hard and the earlier you learn it and learn to over come, time for joy and play will come. With that said, 2 hours of homework for a first grader is excessive. I would definitely be discussing this at whatever forum the people who make these decisions meet.

[–]Better-County-9804 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same …..

[–]dongdinge 13 points14 points  (4 children)

if someone told me in a job interview that they never did their primary school homework, even high school honestly, i legitimately could not give less of a fuck. i am going into a conversation with another grown adult and assuming they’re not the same person they were at 16. (my field is mostly people 25-55)

like, where do they get off on being like this lol can they not teach them basic concepts in the 7-8 hours a day they have the child in their care

[–]Selmarris 3 points4 points  (2 children)

They think homework teaches them something valuable just by virtue of being homework. I can’t think what it is except being a drone though.

[–]sillybilly8102 2 points3 points  (1 child)

For me it was valuable in some ways because I learn best on my own when I can go at my own pace and look things up etc. I personally learned a lot from homework and got a lot out of it that I wouldn’t have gotten in a classroom. But I’d say I only felt that effect from middle school onward, not first grade.

[–]dongdinge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but like… if it was optional would you have not done it? i feel like you can’t force someone to want to learn, and those who want to will gravitate towards it either way. the others need other forms of support that are more human in nature than strictly educational

[–]TnekKralc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I will say while I think homework at that age is moronic, giving me an opportunity to get in the habit of skipping it was even worse. I never developed the ability to sit down and focus (they said I was smart enough in key areas (math) to not be diagnosed adhd). This translated to high school where I could get near 0% homework grade and still pass with C's by getting A's on tests and participating in class. This then translated to failing out of college because I never learned to study, do homework, or stay interested in a subject for longer than a semester

[–]spaghetti-o_salad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got sent to the principals office weekly for not doing homework in 2nd grade. I really stopped caring. I hate to admit it but at 36 that still effects me. I have kids and I would hate for them to ever feel so defeated**

**edit to add "at such a young age" ... feeling like that eventually is a part of life.

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    [–]Watsons-Butler 41 points42 points  (6 children)

    I might be dating myself, but I didn’t have homework in first grade. That wasn’t a thing.

    [–]Sweet_Permission_700 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    It still isn't for smart teachers. There's plenty of evidence out there that homework doesn't help kids learn, especially in elementary school. So much so that my 15yo daughter's college level physics teacher doesn't even give homework beyond what they didn't finish in class, and they've got enough time to finish in class.

    What does help? Reading. More reading. Play. Time outdoors. Connected family time. And NOT teaching kids to hate school because they're constantly burned out by homework that doesn't take them 30 minutes or less.

    [–]science_cat_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    wish i could date myself, we'd go to all my favourite places

    [–]24-Hour-Hate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I think I did, but it would be like learning a couple words for spelling or a couple math problems. Or write down a couple sentences about what you did on the weekend. Things like that. And not every day. Might have had some reading, but I was a big reader already and wouldn’t have touched any “see spot run” trash unless forced in the classroom (and I remember sitting at my desk angrily reading that). At home it was the Hobbit and Harry Potter.

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      [–]gushi380 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      That’s what my first grader had last year

      [–]Allegorist 86 points87 points  (0 children)

      I had to write research reports in first grade. Granted I'm sure that the standards were lower than they seemed at the time, and it was about stuff like "your favorite animal", but it was still multiple pages with references. That teacher was kind of a dick too, generally seemed cranky.

      [–]level1enemy 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      When I was a kid I used to have 5 hours of homework every day. 2 hours from school and an additional 3 hours that my mom would devise with one hour to myself before bed. On Saturday she would have me work half the day and then Sundays I had off. Pretty sure it was child abuse. :/

      [–]Jioqls 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Wow, that is insane. How is this possible?

      [–]level1enemy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      She would buy workbooks for my grade level and give me a certain amount of sections to finish after my school’s homework, 6 days a week. I started my homework almost immediately after arriving home, taking a break for dinner. I felt what I now recognize to be misery.

      [–]Jioqls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I don't see any benefit other then mandatory torture. Nobody is better in college because of this.

      [–]RaptorPrime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Dude in first grade I was handed a packet that was supposed to take the whole year and I finished it in 1 sitting. It was supposed to be only a couple exercises a day. Noone told me that though

      [–]KarenEater 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      My mom loved those packets (she was an RN). Literally every summer, we had to do x amount of pages every day before we were allowed out to play. I was so used to doing homework before kindergarten (I also had to go to a special school starting at age 3 due to issues) that I was writing full reports when I was 4... I mean, hey, I learned a lot, and homework was a cakewalk when I started actual school... so idk I guess it helped, BUT like why??? Please note that this would have been in the 80s. But probably also the reason I barely graduated high school with a 1.4??? GPA, lmao. I, however, do have a technical school associate degree and graduated with almost a 4.0! I'm not stupid, but I have learning disabilities as well. College was 1000% easier than high school

      [–]sillybilly8102 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yeah in 1st grade I had 1 book report to write a week. So I had to read a (short) book of my choosing and write a short report. I had from Monday to Thursday. Guess who always did it Wednesday night. I hated those book reports though. I never knew what to say. It would take me much longer and with more tears than most of my classmates.

      [–]dasbarr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Same here. That's what homework was until like 4th grade unless we had to make a diorama or something.

      I always liked to sit down and do it all Monday and not think about it again.

      [–]LilyLuna0528 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I still think it's bonkers that six year old get homework.

      We didn't get homework until 11 and only if you didn't finish your grammar lesson.

      It would take maybe 15 minutes once or twice a week.

      Only in high school, from 12-13 on, we would really get homework.

      Although i think it wouldn't have been a bad thing to get used to a little more homework before then, because it was a huge difference.

      [–]flippertyflip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      In the UK we didn't get homework until age 12. Think that's changed now though.

      [–]adifferentyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think I had one book report, book of your choice.

      Maybe a few math worksheets, but I feel like we worked on those towards the end of class.

      Once I think I had to write a poem?

      Oh and I was supposed to practice my hand writing...I did not. Or, I found a way around completing it but not actually doing it....like we had to fill in the lines of the letters but I just did each line systematically down the row and the back up to the top to complete the rest of the lines because the letters kept repeating vertically.

      [–]BoycottReddit69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Or, if you were me, do it all in 30 minutes on the bus ride on the due date

      [–]ThirstTrap911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Same, i used to do my packet on the bus home and turn it in Tuesday morning. Rest of the week was a blast.

      [–]Qetuowryipzcbmxvn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      My 1st grade teacher was pretty open that she wanted us to have 4 hours of homework a day. An hour each for reading, writing, math, and counting, which was essentially two hours of reading and two hours of math. She'd then give 12 hours of homework on Friday so we had 4 hours/day on the weekends. Every teacher has told me that an hour per subject is the requirement.

      Thankfully I excelled, so it wouldn't take me even an hour to finish it all. Still I wonder about my classmates that had trouble. At the time I didn't understand that not everybody was able to do these things instantly in their head and learn everything just from seeing it in class. I figured they were just lazy and just didn't want to pay attention. Now I realize that it wasn't their fault. Looking back it was quite obvious a lot of them were trying really hard and were struggling.

      [–][deleted] 320 points321 points  (28 children)

      We started primary school in the UK at 5. Never during primary school (5-12) did we have homework. At all. Now I see my friends' kids with homework in primary school. Why did this become a thing over here? That's nuts. Yes, kids get a LOT of holidays over here, there's Easter, Summer, Christmas and at least 3 half terms of a week of each time, plus all the bank holidays, but it seems ridiculous to have the slaving away at their books in primary school.

      Problem is, the schools over here have started copying the US model, like every fucking thing else. We have huge US corporations over here, paying little to no tax, exploiting our workers for slave wages and expecting the state to make up for the pittance they pay our workers. It makes me sick. I love the US and the American people, but corporate American can just get the fuck out of this country. It's wrecked us. US fast food joints have turned us into a nation of obesity and poor health. Working for shit wages, copying the American welfare system (which sucks) and basically ruining our country. I'm so depressed at the direction this country is going. Oh and of course the great sell off of our NHS. Wankers.

      [–]postal-history 92 points93 points  (2 children)

      You guys should make laws about it really. I saw the grassroots movement against Amazon in the UK and it really seems like it would be a popular platform. Not that I expect Labor to care

      [–]goodknightffs 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Lol the uk can't do fuck all right now.. Don't forget they were the geniuses that left the eu

      [–]KidneyStoner6 71 points72 points  (8 children)

      As a citizen of the US I can’t believe that the UK would want to copy anything from us. Seriously, someone would need to point out to me exactly what we do better than the UK because I’m sure there are some things, but the list is probably getting shorter every day.

      [–]TacomonkieEgoist 42 points43 points  (2 children)

      The US makes rich people richer, which I'm sure the rich people of the UK could admire. And if (I don't know how laws work in the UK) rich people decide laws in the UK, then the UK would decide to implement similar laws.

      [–]24-Hour-Hate 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I would say that this is it. And my suspicion is that modern education system design is aimed at producing obedient uncreative workers for the capitalist system. The homework is to encourage the notion that a person should always be working, I suspect. Of course wealthy people want that system to be world wide.

      [–]Shojo_Tombo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Well, their parliament has the house of lords, which is made up of entitled (literally) rich people, and is bigger than the house of commons. So I would assume the lords/rich wield more power than the actual people/commons. Someone from the UK correct me if I'm wrong, please.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      If the UK government wants your passwords, they'll just stick you in jail and wait. No reason needed as long as you're, for example, crossing a border.

      If you give them the password(s) later, they'll stick you in jail again, because you giving them the pw means you could have done it all along, which proves intention to not reveal them upon demand, which, finally, is a crime.this isn't secret squirrel MI5/6 shit, this is regular cop stuff.

      [–]Shojo_Tombo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      They can do that in the US if you are within 100 miles of a border/coast. Two thirds of the US population lives within 100 miles of a border/coast, so the government can effectively override the rights of the majority if they so choose. I wish more people knew this and were angry about it.

      [–]MissPandaSloth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Yet, US still has the best universities that everyone tries to get to, even from the countries where education is more strict and are statistically over performing.

      It's also good environment for all sorts of innovation.

      I feel like people get extremely biased in these comment sections and can't really separate the issues. US has issue with poverty and wealth inequality, but if you are a bright student you absolutely wanna study in US.

      And that doesn't even touch the poverty wages that some European countries have for high level professionals, of healthcare workers. It's surprise that not everyone yet fled to US (but I do have some family friends who did and are making many, many times more).

      [–]24-Hour-Hate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Do they, though? Aside from it very much mattering what program we are talking about, there are other universities that are just as well respected and sought after. Oxford and Cambridge, for example, actually may rank highest depending on what rankings you look at. The University of Toronto is also extremely highly ranked, overall (top 10 in the world). And the students, many of them international, all vying to get into the University of Waterloo for the extremely competitive engineering, computer science, and optometry programs would have quite a lot to say about “everyone” wanting US universities. Those programs are notoriously difficult to get into for a reason (I had a classmate who secured a spot in the engineering program, he had to be absolutely brilliant to get in and he is). There are many universities in the world that are well respected and that many people want to go to. And so on.

      Perhaps Americans all want to go to places like Harvard or Yale. But for the rest of the world…the world is a much bigger place. And your country is falling behind.

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        [–]Interesting-Amoeba25 30 points31 points  (2 children)

        Well I’ve got news for you. It’s more than just corporate America ruining the UK. 3/4 of the water industry in the UK (water utilities) is owned by foreign companies for example.

        [–]newforestroadwarrior 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Most train companies are partially foreign owned.

        Avanti West Coast is co-owned by TrenItalia, so much of the money for your horrifically overpriced WCML ticket is poured straight into the financial black hole of the Italian railways.

        [–]---E 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        And they've relentlessly been extracting money from the UK, not performing maintenance or updating their systems. In a couple of years the sewage and power systems will start failing big time forcing the UK government to step in and invest billions to fix things. Meanwhile the investors across the pond are laughing to the bank with the billions of pounds they effectively stole from the UK taxpayers.

        [–]Visual-Froyo 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        Started primary at 4 in 2011 and got homework, never did it though. When did u start primary?

        [–]StephenKingly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Not who you’re asking but I’m 40 and started primary in around 1987 through to around 1994. Never did any homework until secondary school. Closest thing was the odd project making something at home (as in building something). There wasn’t any standardised testing either. The first big exam I did was GCSEs. I can’t remember any academic stress or pressure in primary school and it all felt fun.

        I was really into learning though so I remember looking forward to the idea of getting homework in secondary school as it seemed like something older kids did. Obviously quickly changed my mind once I started getting it.

        [–]SkAtrocity13 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Oh hell... of all the undesirable US models you could potentially copy and adopt, the school system model should be the second to last pick of the bunch. Healthcare is probably last

        [–]IHaveARebelGene 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I'm the UK too and just ignore the homework for my kid. If they want to do it we'll do it, otherwise I just don't bother. They're 6 years old, they just need to play after school. Like you said, we never had homework growing up and me and my siblings have a couple of Masters degrees and doctorates between us now.

        [–]pale_splicer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I'm convinced Brexit was just a ploy to allow the US to colonize Britain in the modern sense.

        [–]WeeLinds2811 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm 54 and we got homework in primary school. We had a wee tin with word cards to practice spelling and a reading book. My kids had the same. We're in Scotland so it might be different elsewhere in UK.

        [–]KiraCura 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        We hate our American corporations too. We wish we were free from their control but we’re all outta luck

        [–]RandomRedditor0193 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        My only question is, what is a bank holiday? I know y'all had one Monday but no clue what it is.

        [–]MissPandaSloth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        In Baltics we did had homework in primary school and absolutely in later grades (3-4). It was obviously very age appropriate and pretty easy, such as taskbooks where you have to fill the letters and very, very basic math or things to train your hand at writing + creativity exercises.

        2h per day seems excessive, but several hours per week, not so much. I really don't see the problem with that, it's just extra practise and the school hours were already short (8-am-11/12) or something like that.

        I guess another question is how big are the classes. In Norway for example they have like 10-15 students and 2 teachers, so it's easy to spend time for each student individually and give them more targeted work. When I was growing and (and I think it's getting worse) it was 20-30 students and one teacher, there was simply not enough time for all the kids to do enough work, just the help and questions alone in the start of the class would take a long time.

        [–]I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        If you hate corporate America, then I don't see how you can love the US. As a US citizen, that does not compute.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        It's not that hard to understand. I love the people the vast majority of which aren't greedy, grasping and exploitative. And I North America is gorgeous with beautiful landscapes and wildlife. It's that simple.

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          [–][deleted] 131 points132 points  (26 children)

          2 hrs daily is still a bit much even for a senior IMO. Really it out to cap out around 90 minutes in high school, maybe much lower.

          [–]NotEnoughIT 118 points119 points  (13 children)

          It should cap out at zero minutes. Homework is an abomination. Ninety minutes a day on homework. Could you imagine if your boss gave you ninety minutes of extra work per day to do from home? If you can’t reach a student in school that needs to be worked out, not just add an hour of bullshit to their day.

          [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

          As a middle and high schooler in FL (in the US) in the 90’s.

          I averaged 3 hours of homework per day. Some days 6-7 hours. Came home between 3-4pm and often would be up past my bedtime doing homework. It was ridiculous, but as an overachiever, I did it. That got me 18th in class when graduating. Woohoo….got scholarships, loans and a college degree.

          I make enough to get by, but I barely actively use my “education”.

          That damn Algebra. I’ve never used it, not once after HS/college. But I spent years studying it and passing with B’s.

          If I would have been actively shown it used in any way (engineering/science, etc) maybe that would change my perspective. But that’s not the US system.

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            [–]MaizeNBlueWaffle -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

            I disagree about high school. I think 1.5-2 hours for a high schooler is fine. There is just no way to learn and practice all the content you need to know for English, Science, Math, History, Language, etc. at a high school level if you're doing less than that

            [–]a-horny-vision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I genuinely think that if kids aren't learning enough in their 8-hour days, then the problem is with the curriculum, the teacher, the education system's resources, etc.

            But NO KID should have to do homework. It's been proven through studies once and again that homework is useless.

            [–]shadowwingnut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            My church kids are getting 3-4 hours a day as sophomores and juniors. It's insane.

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            [–]Sweet_Permission_700 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Depends on a senior and depends on how long they have to do that average of 2 hours of work.

            My sophomore is taking 4 college level classes, 2 concurrent enrollment which are automatic college credit if passed, 2 Advanced Placement which require certain scores on the AP test for credit. When intentionally choosing college level work, I think it's fair to expect college level study/homework time. It's not as bad when they a week or time over a weekend to get it done because that's a lot more realistic for finding several hours than every single day.

            I'm not sure how well aiming for a 2 hour limit would work when schools have teens in 6-8 classes a semester. Here it's 8 classes over 2 days, 4 on one with the other 4 the next, then repeat. It gives more time for electives which are great for the students (and they've got crazy diverse options!). 2 hours would mean an average of 15 minutes homework a night.

            Still, I think it's worth considering advising an average of 2 hours homework over 6-8 classes (so average of 15-20 minutes per class) and putting more emphasis on reading ahead over more work outside class. It's been shown students who read their materials before class are better prepared in class, while doing extra homework does little for them.

            [–]this_is_sy 43 points44 points  (0 children)

            A lot of the time stuff is wishful thinking, if you have a kid who doesn't enjoy doing homework. Like, great, this is 10 minutes of homework. It would be great if my kid could understand that. But instead we are signing ourselves up for 30 minutes of tantrums plus the homework. And all this in a day where our family gets maybe 90 minutes of unstructured time together, on a good day.

            [–]TheBalzy 31 points32 points  (1 child)

            OP is saying the simple HW is turning into 2-hours, not that it's actually two hours. That's a BIG difference.

            [–]myownzen 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            Thank you. Its obvious most people just get triggered and fly off into whatever emotion appears. And then a smaller percent seem to have an ax to grind and stop at whatever serves their purpose.

            [–][deleted] 288 points289 points  (46 children)

            Homework should be outlawed. And teachers droning on about a topic at school should be too. I don't know how things are these days, but I had several teachers that took the joy out of learning and specific subjects because they would just recite stuff. The never stopped to explain why or how or where it came from.

            It's bad enough that the school day is completely antithetical to child circadian rhythms, but sending any amount of work home after spending 8 hours at school is just demonic.

            I think the first 30% of the class should be talking about new topics, 65% should be doing in-class work and practice on those topics where they can ask the teacher questions (instead of sending them home on their own and grading them for mistakes), and the last 5% talking about what topics the next day will cover so the industrious kids can go home and research it if they want to.

            School is very much what the OP describes. Grinding all the kids down to the lowest common denominator and turning them into the future cogs of the capitalist machine. And it doesn't even do a great job at that. I'm also in favor of a life skills series of classes in high school that includes things like writing checks (they aren't 100% gone yet), understanding loans, investments, interest, and debt, budgeting, and a host of other meaningful day-to-day skills.

            Deep breath I'm done.

            [–]DepressedQA 135 points136 points  (10 children)

            I'm in Oregon, but my kid's elementary school has done away with homework completely and I love it.

            [–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (2 children)

            That's awesome. Give the poor little bas...bundles of joy time to decompress!

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Bundles of bastard, on some days.

            [–]Such_Pomegranate_690 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            My kids get homework but it’s entirely optional. They really would rather you spend 10-20 minutes a day reading with your kid, or your kid reading if they are able to.

            [–]DoItForTheNukie 5 points6 points  (2 children)

            I graduated from a high school in 2008 that had no homework, no finals, and only 4 classes a day in 75 minute blocks. 7:30am-12:56pm every day with a 30ish minutes total break/lunch that was split into 2 15 minute chunks.

            It’s the only reason I graduated high school. Not that I didn’t comprehend what was going on at my original high school I just did not care at all. I refused to do homework or even bring a pencil to class let alone the book for it. I graduated from an alternative or continuation school in Southern California. Still received a normal high school diploma not a GED or anything like that and I honestly enjoyed my time there. I liked almost every single one of my teachers and got asked to be a part of this thing called “the village” where I would have the same kids in 3 of my 4 classes which was pretty dope. We all became pretty good friends because of it.

            [–]jessicaryankeeney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I’m in too Oregon and my son goes to a good private school. His homework is minimal. He refuses to do it in a timely fashion though (which is his problem not the school’s problem).

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              [–]fabfameight 18 points19 points  (5 children)

              Maybe it is just in Texas....but we TEACH PERSONAL FINANCE starting in middle school.

              Doesn't mean the kids retain it.

              [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

              I don't know how widespread this is. I haven't been in school for awhile. Middle school is too young. I was thinking 11th or 12th grade.

              [–]ToaPaul 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Exactly. For me, it was a required class to graduate high school, which honestly makes a lot of sense.

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                [–]Class1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                In 6th grade in Kansas (ca. 1997) part of our curriculum was how to balance a checkbook and write cheques. I'm still amazed at how good my education was in Kansas. I still remember tons of that stuff, and, while cheque writing isn't super useful today, still taught very important skills for the future.

                [–]Alikona_05 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                I graduated in 2005 and we still had “life skill” classes like home ec, accounting and shop (we learned random things like how to fix a hole in drywall). I feel like all those classes went away completely after my generation.

                If anyone who has kids is reading this: for the love of his noodleyness, PLEASE encourage them to take classes that teach them Microsoft Word/Excel skills in middle school/high school.

                I’m currently going back to get my bachelors degree and in every single science lab I’ve taken, I’ve been the only person other than the instructor that knows how to use excel. It’s painful.

                As a millennial I feel trapped between the boomers and the zoomers at work - very few of them know how to use excel. It’s a very important skill set if they plan to have any kind of office/lab type of job or if they want to run their own business.

                [–]xSTSxZerglingOne 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                The existence of homework isn't the problem to be honest. It's how soul-suckingly boring and awful said homework is.

                If you had asked me to write a book report on my favorite book, I'd have happily written it. If you'd asked me to find math related to what we're doing in class in something that I enjoy doing, I could have found at least 100 examples in the video games I liked at the time.

                But being forced to do problems 24-85, as well as corrections for 24-85 the previous night, and write about The Bean Trees (go fuck yourself Barbara Kingsolver) just crushed me as a student.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                See, math is a great example. I was terrible at math all through K-12. It wasn't until I got to college that I had professors that really opened the world to me. Now I have a degree in Math and Computer Science (not coding, the actual science of computation.)

                My teachers in K-12 would basically just write a problem down on the board step-by-step and were neither animated nor very descriptive about why problems worked out the way they did. Maybe this is a me thing, but I think I'd have been better off working problems in class and being able to ask questions and clarify so that I wasn't just trying to memorize stuff, but actually understood it.

                Getting a lecture then going home to work out those problems on my own and getting terrible grades with out much explanation as to what I did wrong was pretty negative for me. That's just my personal take, though. Everybody is different in how they learn best.

                [–]xSTSxZerglingOne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Personally, as also a degree holder in the Math and Computer Science persuasion, just from my goddamn time as a developer, we can do a LOT FUCKING BETTER THAN THIS SHIT:

                f(x) = x + 1

                How about. Instead of introducing it as f(x) we call it; I don't fucking know...something like: addOneToAnything(number) = number + 1?

                Once I understood how important naming conventions can be, I took a hard fuckin' look back at my math education where I started tripping up (functions and their applications in algebra) and most of my problems could have been prevented with a very simple example to show what a function means. It also would have made nested functions much easier to understand.

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                  [–]Afraid_Reputation_51 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  I failed math repeatedly in HS because of teachers that would just drone on and on, and put stuff on a chalk board. I had a choice between more school and a GED. I did the GED. Actually did fine on math. Never bothered with it again until I went to collage, and there I took the minimum needed. That teacher was great, because he assumed all of students were bad at math.

                  The kicker? I didn't learn shit about PEMDAS until I was in my 40s.

                  [–]sweetnsassy924 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I’ll be 40 next month and never used pemdas since graduation.

                  [–]JRose608 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I’m actually really surprised it’s not a thing already

                  [–]J-W-L 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  Respectfully, I'm not sure how I feel about outlawing homework as it's one of the last tools in our toolbox that society has to teach personal responsibility and accountability to children. It also reinforces the idea that learning can and needs to happen outside of the classroom. It gives the student time to recall, reflect, and form their own opinions and relationships to what they have learned. It is an excellent chance for growth and learning while learning how to internalize what they have learned. In its current/popular implementation homework may not be perfect but let's improve that instead of outlawing it.

                  As a society we need to take steps to be smarter and improve constructive learning in and out of the classroom. Unfortunately, as a culture we are currently racing to the bottom where we are getting dumber, less capable and unable to accept personal responsibility. Let's give kids the groundwork to build a better future for us all while saving themselves from what society had given them.

                  If anything, we should start adapting a flip curriculum where most of the learning and exploring happens out of the classroom. Classroom time could be used for feedback, q and a, and application of what they learned so everyone benefits.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  In a better world, I might agree with you. I see part of the issue today as parents having to both work jobs and handing over kids to "the system." I think things like accountability and responsibility should be taught by parents. I agree that kids need to be encouraged to be curious and learn outside the classroom, but I don't think doing rote exercises of memorization helps with that. The old way of teaching just isn't meaningful any more.

                  To co-opt Einstein, "The value of (a college) education is not the learning of many facts but the training of the mind to think." An oft misquoted but relevant corollary to this is "Don't memorize what you can look up." Using math as an example again, what should be taught is learning how to derive a solution from first principles, not just memorizing the formula for the integral of sin(x). These are the kind of things that would benefit from teacher / student interaction. A person doing a bunch of homework the night before likely isn't going to even remember their questions the next day.

                  In a lot of ways, I think that a lot of previous generations were taught to hate learning because of the monotony. It's very possible that I'm projecting.

                  I definitely agree that we are racing to the bottom and that some sort of change needs to happen. Effectively we want the same thing, it's just a matter of implementation. The best solution is probably somewhere in between. I just know the status quo isn't it.

                  [–]TheMadolche -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                  Are you a teacher?

                  [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                  No. Just an opinionated asshole with a keyboard and a lot of really bad memories from K-12.

                  [–]MaizeNBlueWaffle 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                  I think the first 30% of the class should be talking about new topics, 65% should be doing in-class work and practice on those topics where they can ask the teacher questions (instead of sending them home on their own and grading them for mistakes), and the last 5% talking about what topics the next day will cover so the industrious kids can go home and research it if they want to.

                  If class is 45 minutes in high school, that's like 15 minutes of new topics and 30 minutes of practice problems and asking questions. That is just not enough time to learn anything. I think teachers sometimes give too much homework, but getting rid of homework is such a laughable concept because people will learn a fraction of what they learn now

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                  I was just pulling percentages out of my ass. Maybe there's a better split. This isn't a problem I've really dug into outside of my own personal experience, so I haven't read any studies or anything. Me personally, I didn't learn anything from homework. In fact, I hardly ever did it. I was always a good test taker. I was an atypical student though.

                  I'd be curious to know the metrics. I just know that making exhausted kids pull five 10s or even five 9s is borderline unethical.

                  [–]Efficient_Base3980 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Homework should be outlawed.

                  I agree with that. if you can't teach a kid what they need to know DURING school then you're failing as a teacher and assigning all the work you didn't get to to the kid for later isn't really an acceptable alternative

                  [–]ToaPaul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  As to your last paragraph, I had that class in high-school it was called personal finance and it was required to graduate. I hated it, but I'm glad they made us take it because it was incredibly eye-opening as to how incredibly bullshit it all is. I remember learning about how credit works and was dumb-founded by how back-asswords it all is. Really, I only hated the class because it was tough stuff I and others really needed to hear. I guess not every school has this class, but they 1000% should.

                  [–]Disastrous_Purple779 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  The answer is homeschooling

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  I feel like independent problem solving might be a better class than most of those. My school did cooking, sewing, woodwork/shop, careers, and basic finance, but they stuck with things that would still be relevant in 20 years like budgeting.

                  The more important skill is how to solve a problem. We don’t know what technology today’s 10yos will need in the future, so we can’t teach it to them. Best we can do is teach them how to find information, assess information, how to look at an unknown object and figure out what it does.

                  Unfortunately problem solving (and basically all financial skill) is math based, and most countries do not value math education very highly in practice. If you know basic math then you already know loans, or at least can figure it out by yourself in under 5 minutes. The problem is too many kids are leaving school functionally innumerate and can’t do basic adult math.

                  [–]Sweet_Permission_700 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  I'm not in favor of outlawing homework, but I believe it needs a massive overhaul.

                  Handwriting as a skill is important and the fine motor skills that encourage it are good practice. But that doesn't just mean worksheet after worksheet. Kids practice these things organically writing notes they want to write or grocery lists. They build those muscles coloring or drawing with chalk. Even learning to braid or tie shoes involves some of the same muscles.

                  My 7yo has math games that come home to play with family. The games are short and fun but don't require solid focus. They really just help kids build quick math skills and confidence. This week is games to add or subtract 1 from 1-10. They can take 2 minutes, 20, or if someone really wanted to go crazy, 200. Tracking time is minimal; you write a number on the page and sign it. If it doesn't work for a family that week or every week, they can opt out.

                  Reading has actually been shown to have far more impact on elementary school learning than any homework. Even this is flexible. Reading alone, reading as a family, listening to audio books -- it all counts. The point is to keep exposing ourselves to language and developing those pathways in our brains. It doesn't even need to all be in English.

                  Beyond that, kids need time to BE kids, not just the human version of a drone or worker bee. Active play, time outside, and imaginative play does more for elementary age children than homework. Special bonus -- manipulating all those tiny LEGO pieces also helps build fine motor muscles and is way more fun than worksheets. This isn't limited to younger kids either. Teens need time to enjoy the last bit of their childhood.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  These all seem like good suggestions. Not so much homework as...let's say, external engagement maybe? Doing something to reinforce the lessons without making it feel like a grind.

                  [–]btmc 92 points93 points  (11 children)

                  And if neither the school nor the teacher is intending to assign that much work, and other students aren’t taking as long to complete, it might be worthwhile for OP to get their son evaluated for a learning disorder and/or ADHD.

                  [–]drinkyourdinner 49 points50 points  (2 children)

                  This.

                  My daughter has ADHD, and learns quickly, but easily gets bored and distracted with a page of 30+ math problems (she often brought unfinished work home from school.) I spoke to the teacher and I picked a few problems for her to complete while I was assessing her understanding. Then I initialed the “easy ones” and she just completed the “hard ones” that challenged her.

                  I also found out that the teacher was assigning work as a method to manage behavior, which I found horrifying (I used to teach, and the lack of classroom management skills was obvious in this older teacher.)

                  [–]jestingvixen 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                  THIIIISTHISTHISHAPPENEDTOME.

                  I got my diagnosis because my mother was diligent like you are. Thank you for your service, my people see you, respect you, honour you. I'm okay because someone asked these questions for me when I couldn't. Thank you for helping who knows how many of us.

                  OP, it may be too much homework, it may be worth looking into what else is going on and whether a learning quirk is going on. Is the format no good/wildly overwhelming/irrelevant to your child's information absorption tendencies? It's worth asking. Poorly managed adhd can be crippling and the earlier you get to learn why your mind (and to some extent body) are different, the sooner you can learn to cope with a world not built for you, how to treat yourself gently and get the most out of your life.

                  Ok. Rant truncated. Thank you for being one of the good ones, Drinkyourdinner.

                  [–]drinkyourdinner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Aww, thanks. TBH, I knew what to watch out for because both of us parents have ADHD… many areas of our life are a hot mess, but our emotional awareness is top-notch.

                  [–]Allegorist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  attention span of a gnat on meth

                  I'd probably put my money there

                  [–]fringlese 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  This is definitely a shout OP. I’m agreeing because this was me at school, I never knew how anybody had time to go do anything after school because homework was my entire life in the evenings and I never got to do anything. I maybe had 30 mins of free time after finishing before I had to go to bed? No wonder I was sleep deprived. And I only got diagnosed last year at 24. But at least you’re catching it early, OP. You’re recognising that the world is a harsh place, esp for people with learning disabilities. You seem to care about your kid, and that’s what matters

                  [–]Striking_Voice4147 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                  He’s six.

                  Six year olds don’t have ADHD.

                  They ARE ADHD.

                  [–]Wit-wat-4 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  Every age group has their own spans. Like a toddler might havea few minutes, you can still absolutely tell some toddlers have less than others. If a 10 minute homework/concentration is too much for a 6 year old, it IS possible that there’s something up with the homework itself, the teacher (ex: not taught what he should’ve been before the homework), the kid (ex: eyesight issue can’t read never learned the stuff in class), etc etc

                  You can’t just throw your hands up and say “kids be kidz” until they’re 18. There’s always different things and stages for all ages, and as parents you try your damndest to be as in tune with your kid as you can be.

                  Not saying OP’s kid has a problem, but it’s not like a 6 year old isn’t expected to have ANY concentration skills at all.

                  [–]redhead_hmmm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Yep ..as a teacher...if homework is taking 2 hours and he has " the attention span of a gnat." Then there is something going on. First Graders can work/pay attention for 20 to 30 minutes. Source: former 1st grade teacher

                  [–]CanisPictus 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                  THIS.

                  [–]crodgers35 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Yeah honestly teachers aren’t paid enough for this. Go get paid $50,000 a year as a teacher to be at school for those 8 hours they’re there and tell me if you feel like prepping genuine lesson plans and participating in extracurriculares. Pay teachers first and this will follow. Personally I’m a fan of Milton Fried man’s charter school system but there’s plenty of ways to go about it.

                  [–]D-bux 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Has no one actually read the post?

                  It's 15mins, but it takes him 2 hours to go through.

                  Also, when did reading become a chore and not a pleasure?

                  [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

                  Maybe it's work he didn't get done during the day because of behavior? That's the only thing I can think of. It's possible he's struggling as much in class with attention as he is at home.

                  Or maybe he's just tired at the end of the day. Perhaps set aside 20 minutes in the morning for homework?

                  That said, what are they going to do if he doesn't do it? They don't fail students for bad grades -- they don't even give first graders letter grades for the most part. The answer might be teaching your child to put strong work- life boundaries. Many teachers no longer give homework for this reason exactly. When I was a teacher the only thing I ever gave as homework was to finish what we did in class and I only moved on to the next part when the majority of the class was done. Typically that meant a third of the class had homework and they were either the insanely slow perfectionists or the mess-arounders.

                  [–]hambonze 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  First instict is to blame the kid? Glad you aren't a teacher anymore

                  [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                  Lol what? Not blaming the kid. Early indicators of ADHD can include taking 10x longer to do tasks successfully. If he's got the same issue at school, the work might have been intended for an entire school day in which he couldn't focus at all

                  [–]hambonze -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                  Cwork he didn't get done because of behavior "

                  [–]Selmarris 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  My kid is on the bus at quarter of seven. What morning?

                  [–]Comfortable_kumquat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Another teacher here and past student who had two hours of homework in 1st grade. For me, it was because I had undiagnosed initiative type ADHD and dyslexia. Any work I did not finish at school would be sent home with me along with the one page and fifteen minutes of reading everyone had to do at home.

                  I am not saying this is the case for your son. Maybe their teacher is giving crazy amounts of homework. I would reach out and speak to the teacher to ask her perspective. As a teacher, I do not assign any homework because I want students to learn work life balance, but I may be a minority.

                  [–]crapinet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I had an hour when I was in 1st grade — a shitty religious school in the 80s — it made me hate school work and school.

                  I have seen more elementary schools that are ZERO homework, and that’s clearly the best. A lot of studies have shown that almost no learning happens through most homework (anything that doesn’t need just a lot of repetition). Let kids be kids. Let family be happier. Let kids love learning. I’m glad to see things changing somewhat for the better.

                  [–]rkiive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  2 hours for a first grader is insane

                  2 hours of homework a night for anyone is insane.

                  I went to a top 10 high-school in my state and still never had more than 30 minutes of homework a night. Most nights there was none and it was just the overarching assignments that you needed to hand in.

                  You just spent 8 hours at school, why on earth should anyone be doing another 2 hours after that.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  You definitely need to talk to the teacher but approach it with how long should this homework be taking bc this is what we’re averaging? Then go from there. Former teacher myself, I always told my families to stop at a certain time limit bc we didn’t want it turning into that.

                  [–]Not-a-Russian 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Lmfao 10 minutes? Even before 1st grade I had to pass freaking exams even to get into the school of choice of my parents... homework definitely took a lot more than 10 minutes a day, I can't remember a single day of school where homework would take me less than an hour combined, and this was the norm. Granted, by the end of school I was so burned out with homework I literally didn't understand or had the time to understand, that I complete dropped doing all of it... and were so mentally repulsed by math I probably have the worst math of any adult my age even though we studied a lot

                  [–]AbroadPlane1172 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  As an ardent union employee, any work outside of work hours is too much. Training our children to work for free is unacceptable in any form as far as I'm concerned.

                  [–]cracksmok3r -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                  10 minutes per grade? that means 5th graders are doing 50 minutes, thats just no from me, 5th graders are still BABIES, there shouldn't be homework until highschool and maybe not even then

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I wish you were my teacher back in the day.

                  [–]ForHelp_PressAltF4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I will say that one of my kid's friends told his mom kind of the same story. Most of the time he was doing "school work" on the issued computer but it was so gamified. Not failing that but if you have to argue and plead for video game time but zero resistance if you do the honestly fairly fun gamified school work... Yeah.

                  Not saying that is the case but this just doesn't reach for me. Something is wrong here. Either you have the same situation I just described it they're not able to do what is expected during school (one kid in the class was like this plus behavior issues, got glasses, and turned it around like a freaking light switch).

                  Or maybe something at/from the school. But it's strongly recommend looking into those other two first.

                  If you do reach out to the school, please do it with kindness and being open to being completely wrong. If you come in full of steam you will NEVER get the full story.

                  Good luck and kudos for involved and invested parenting. Your kids will be watching how you handle this and yes it is modeling. Sounds like you've been doing right by the kid. This could be a great teachable moment and great bonding too

                  All the best. You got this dude!

                  [–]No_Maybe_1676 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Need more of this in the world school has been fucked for ages. Please fix it I always hated it I may even go back but I fucking do not want to. Mfs leaving not knowing how to do taxes or deal with a car accident or how to do most useful “old school” classes like carpentry or machanics or cooking or how to fix clothes or how to garden. All shit I’ve had to learn on my own to survive especially the way shit is. Like man. Ya get ear raped for 12 years. 13 if ya did kindergarten. I didn’t even hate all my teachers but seeing them rebel their own curriculum to try for what there gut is telling them is right. It’s fucked yo.

                  [–]happyfuckincakedaylazy and proud 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  OP said it's like 30 minutes of work but turns into 2 hours bc he's 6

                  [–]honeybunchesofgoatso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I had ADHD as a kid, so something that took most kids 10-30 minutes took me at least 2+ hours until I finished, or avoided finishing it.

                  I wasn't diagnosed until adulthood and my parents would never have let me take the medication, but I highly wish I did back then. If you catch it young you have such good odds of growing out of it with intervention.

                  [–]cloudy17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  If people cared what research shows, the recommended amount of homework is 0 minutes.

                  [–]earthmama88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I think parents can (and should) opt out of HW for grade school. I definitely plan to if any craziness like this comes up

                  [–]Nero-Danteson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Would also like to add if it's neither, maybe OP should see if there might be an educational/developmental issue. It's not uncommon for parents to just not know until kids are faced with structured education.

                  [–]Sassysewer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  This

                  We had a wild first grade teacher for my kiddo. Multiple workboos, projlem sheets, chapter books sent home. I just asked her what the board wide recommendation is. She said 10 minutes. I said perfect...you prioritize what you would like and we will set a timer for 10 minutes. Whatever we get done gets done.

                  She never did just told me to read with my first grader.

                  [–]Theoriginalensetsu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I know in Florida in the 90s it seemed to be a thing depending on what district you were in. Florida is such a wild state.

                  [–]RainbowBright1982 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  My daughter had this problem with homework and this is how we found out she is dyslexic and has ADHD. We got her an IEP and the help she needed and homework got a lot easier. She is in high school now and rarely needs intervention at all. Talk to kiddos teacher and find out how long this work is taking other kids and what the expectations are. If his experience isn’t lining up with his peers have him evaluated.

                  [–]rats05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  All my memories of elementary school are just doing fucking hours of homework each day as soon as I got home, probably around 2-4 hours/day by grade 3. I would try and finish as fast as I could every day so I could play

                  [–]GolfSquatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Sheeeeshhhh. 10 minutes a grade?! I would do HW in study hall and never bring home work, my parents were always suspect but I got good grades and schmooze my way through school, had to teach myself to a study in college tho! Early 30s

                  [–]flonkkerton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Ugh I've been in the same boat -like she mentioned... What takes some kids 30 minutes takes others 2 hours. This is true of kids and people. I completely empathize with OP, because for my kid I had to do 3 plus every night because the kindergarten teacher basically said teachers don't teach they just test.. all teaching is done at home now. Plus... When it comes to public schools you can't really do anything because it's a government provided service. I wish we could have been able to afford private school (where families can have a voice) , but we couldn't at the time.

                  Although many years were really hard with the 3 plus hours of nightly work; she's now a great student. But overall to OP's point I wish I didn't have to spend hours of tears and frustration and could have just let her be a kid. But sadly that's not the world we live in

                  [–]nanaki989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  2 fucking hours of homework a night for seniors?

                  [–]ArbitraryMorality 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Yes, I absolutely fucking agree (former high-level slacker of a student here)

                  This level of homework for a first grader seems not just counterproductive, but completely detrimental to the child learning to be excited about school. Honestly, attitude play such a large part in a successful learning environment and.. god.

                  I lost myself in rage typing. I guess the bottom line I’m trying to get to is:?“What the fuck.. that shit is messed up, if I were you, I’d check into the school”

                  Not only will it destroy a young kid’s attitude going into it… I can’t fathom the way that level of daily homework can actually be beneficial for a first grader.

                  I’d like to kick whoever is responsible for the lesson plans right in the chode.

                  [–]Convergentshave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I would investigate if this is a Reddit post thing. (That fourth paragraph? 😂😂). I literally went to my daughters kindergarten parents thing tonight and the teacher was super laid back talking about how so far, (about 3 weekish) in they working on writing numbers up to 5 with the ultimate goal of getting to 100 by years end. He said my daughter had a rough time with 5 but was still doing ok.

                  I asked if I should work with her and he said that’s be great but don’t feel pressure. Lots of other kids do and it’s all part of learning.

                  So I’m going to spend a little while with her this weekend and do some counting and some drawing but two hours a day? How does OP even have two hours a day to commit to that?

                  [–]lililac0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I didn't really have much homework in primary school but growing up my mum made me do 30mins aged 5, 1h aged 6-9, and 1.5h aged 10.

                  I was well above the top of my peers in primary school and a full grade ahead of syllabus ages 5-8. And even then I still was NOT doing 2h aged 6. Sounds insane to me, not normal for sure.

                  [–]SorryIdonthaveaname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  2 hours is the recommended time for me (year 11), that long for a 6 year old is crazy

                  [–]miss_nephthys[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  2 hours for a first grader is insane

                  of course it is and the entire post entire post is bullshit.

                  [–]International-Toe522 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Push back. Research supports that too much homework is not beneficial and it actually a detriment. Brains need time to process and rest to actually learn.

                  [–]simontbigboymaclean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  10K minutes of work for a little kindergartner? How do they survive?

                  [–]Joe00100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Iirc the research circa 2008 showed the wasn't really any benefit to homework on average. The effect was extremely slight and on a student level, it was just as often negative as it was positive, with mainly neutral results.

                  My question is really why are teachers giving any homework? As I was graduating highschool I recall them dramatically reducing/removing homework entirely.

                  [–]skorletun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Jesus. I'm Dutch. We didn't have homework until high school.

                  (We don't do middle school here so hw starts at about 12+)

                  [–]illgot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  10 minutes per grade? I had 5 classes a day that would assign me at least an 45 mins to an hours worth of homework minimum every day by 9th grade.

                  I always had a free class like PE or art once a year in high school so no homework from my sixth class.

                  [–]KakarotMaag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I think you're missing a key piece here. OP acknowledges that it should be much shorter, but his kid just makes it take that long.

                  [–]Resident_Courage1354 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  10 minutes per grade? LOL, no wonder the r/teachers gripe so often about how their students can barely read, write, or do math!
                  lol
                  Take a peek at what China does. Not only do they not tolerate the incredibly bad behavior that American kids constantly have, they make kids study and learn and by far surpass the average American kid.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Also consider the possibility that OP's kid has other issues given that 30 minutes is what is actually assigned. They could have attention or reading issues.

                  [–]h3l1x9887 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  10 min per grade... so 2 hours in senior year? That would be ridiculous with how many of my graduating class also had sports and jobs... we never would have slept

                  [–]Thackham 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Why have homework at all?

                  [–]gotchacoverd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Our elementary School has a zero homework policy. They ask each kid to read for 30 minutes and thats it.

                  [–]non_anomalous_penis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  And even that much is too much. Evidence of the superiority of no homework and reduced class time is overwhelming.