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From no sanctions, to even those that harm tennis, what is right choice?

  • No sanction. Let Putin have Ukraine,its not worth to put pressure on Putin if it raises fuel prices.

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • We should undo ALL sanctions as they negatively impact innocent people- including those in Russia.

    Votes: 13 16.3%
  • Ok, sanctions always create hardship, but they must not create hardship for SPORTS people.

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • It is OK, to harm the sporting careers of players for NATIONAL TEAMS, but not individuals.

    Votes: 25 31.3%
  • It is OK for other sports people to be paying a price to support sanctions, but NOT TENNIS PLAYERS

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • If sanctions also harm tennis player careers, then OK but tennis should try and compensate players.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Millions of Russians who do not support the war are already impacted, why not tennis players ?

    Votes: 8 10.0%
  • Ban whoever if it puts pressure on Putin and stop buying fuel from Russia even if prices go up.

    Votes: 20 25.0%
  • Other?

    Votes: 4 5.0%

What is the right level of sanctions? None, as all harm innocent people, or lets even ban Russian tennis players?

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
The ban on Russian tennis players shocked me. It is totally unfair. Then I realised ..all sanctions are totally unfair, and can have terrible impacts on totally innocent people. It raises the question, if all sanctions are unfair, why should we support any sanctions? Or some innocent people can be harmed by sanctions, but not others?

Update: It seems clear from the poll results, many people on MTF believe individual sports people are a special class of people. Target normal people on the streets of Russia with sanctions, target those on national teams, but exempt individual sports people.

It becomes clear to me that every sanction taken against Russia, has negative implications for the income and careers of individuals, both within and beyond Russia, who are in no way complicit in the invasion of Ukraine.

Should the world completely rethink the idea of sanctions and actions against Russia, and avoid any response that causes hardship for innocent people?

from abcnews, on how thousands of German workers may be impacted by gas sanctions.
ABCNews said:
They argued that EU sanctions need to be targeted to put pressure on Russia while minimizing damages to the countries imposing the sanctions, saying “in the current discussion, we don’t see that.”
So it is ok to cause economic hardship to innocent people in Russia, but not in Germany. Or at least, minimal hardship to Germans in order to maximise harm to innocent Russians.

Right from the outset, it was innocent people inside Russia targeted by sanctions. I do not see Putin really having a tough life as a result of sanctions. The whole idea seems to be to target innocent Russians and make their lives so much worse so they get so upset with Putin they wont vote for him. Which will have a big impact next fair election. None of people in line outside banks after the financial sanctions looked to be part of Putin's inner circle, or other people who Putin will listen to.

Seeing the effects of sanctions on tennis players brings home the idea that sanctions harm innocent people. It is not just tennis players who can lose income, or even can lose their entire career, and every sanction has this impact, often on thousands if not millions. It seems the whole idea is to cause people pain in the hope they will blame Putin, and many of the people feeling the pain are not even in Russia.

I mean, lets face it, most of us have at least had to pay more for fuel as result of sanctions, but imagine if your employment was working on one of the many projects now abandoned in the name of sanctions.

Maybe it is all too hard, and if Putin wants to bomb Ukraine to pieces, there is nothing we can do about it without making lives harder for innocent people so we should just accept it.

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#67 ·
Russian players have always choice to rennounce the citizenship of the genocidal barbarian Russian state- not the same thing as Russiaas a country , and still be Russians of different citizenship. . As long as they are willingly citizens of a villain state, they should pay the consequences. At this point, if Ukraine would have the capability to do it, bombing civilian targets in Russia would be rough but very fair game. Compare the disconfort of a regular Russian citizen being bombed at with that of these spolied brats not being able to compete in international competitions.
 
#94 ·
Players like Rublev need to keep their mouth shut! He wasn't going to sign a waiver saying he was 100% against Putin. He was going to hide behind the fact my family life might be in danger. Fine, then shut up and don't play.

Bottom line is at this moment and time you have to show you are 100% against Putin or basically get canceled off the face of the earth.

Wimbledon did the right thing. I applaud them!
 
#111 ·
This is not unprecedented:

I don't think you can consistently oppose Dubai Open sanction and support Wimbledon's. If you think sports should have a unifying character, leave competitors nationality out of the consideration. If you think it's fine to pick nationality of competitors you allow in, based on dyplomatic relations, then sure.

I would say team sports are different because of the crowds - qualification for World Cup probably could have been done on neutral teritorries, but then the World Cup itself would be a hell of a challenge with teams and fans from all over the world.
 
#116 ·
Many of the people that are against sanctions have spoken well about how innocent people (Russians not supporting Putin's war) will be hurt. No doubt that is true - whatever type of sanction is chosen, it is a blunt weapon with a lot of unwanted side effects. However, I would be curious to hear what other means to stop Putin's war critics of sanctioning are advocating.
 
#134 ·
Not just Russians, most of the Europe is also suffering. Guess who's not? Who benefits the most?
Putin's war could be prevented, but can't be stopped before he reaches his goals. It's easy to have a conflict with Russia until the last Ukrainian. So it's better to do reality check instead of sending more (old) weapons. In case you are a real friend of Ukraine and not just Russian hater.
 
#121 ·
While I have strong views on many subjects, tennis is basically dead to me now. The whole point of sport in general, and tennis in particular, for myself at least, is that it's supposed to be a refuge from the political bullshit that perpetuates the mass media. And, much though I try to ignore it, feeling powerless to have any influence over it, impacts on all of our lives.

Now two of the three Grand Slams this year have been infected with political bullshit, while Wimbledon is set to be particularly unbearable as there will no doubt be constant reference to our civic requirement to denounce all Russians. But not Israel, of course. Let's make sure we've all rehearsed this - Israel good, Russia bad. And we definitely shouldn't put the British foreign policy under the microscope, or the Crown that will be in residence at Wimbledon. The Price of Wales wrote to thousands of people in Cornwall, telling them that he can bulldoze their houses down and mine under their homes, but let's just ignore that. Let's just ignore everything that's inconvenient.

As soon as sport becomes political, it also becomes something else ending in 'ical'. Hypocritical. Politics has no place in sport, particularly single-player sports. It's supposed to be entertainment that is divorced from the bullshit that infects our lives. I'll probably watch a bit of Wimbledon, but the sport is not the same to me, and I doubt it can be the same going forward.
 
#160 ·
#162 ·
Putin turned Russia into Saudi Arabia 2.0.

When the USSR ended, the country had the potential to become a second Germany. The founder of Google was born in Moscow in 1974? They had the education and brain power to prosper like post WWII Germany did.

Instead, Putin moved the country towards a fossil economy, dictatorship, no free speech, sexism and homophobia. A second Saudi. Bravo!!!!

Random blast from the blast.

Russia completely blocks Wikipedia due to article about marijuana
 
#181 ·
In truth it is really this:



Perhaps more meaningful than a letter of anger, but it is about a public declaration of shame, hoping to put pressure on the government to cease and desist. Because it is a country involved, even if headed by Putin, unfortunately those who stand in that country will be affected, and there's not much way around it.

Wimbledon thinks that glory can come by Russian players winning. They do not want any representation from Russian players to permit this. Even if Russian players do denounce Putin and the government's actions, it is very possible for Russia to claim victory or credit for success of Russian players - an 'in your face' type of moment. I think that's the reasoning behind the ban.
 
#198 ·
Why aren’t we talking about all the Russians who have lost their jobs due to the sanctions imposed by various countries? Why is it ok for these minimum wage Russians to lose their jobs but not ok for millionaire tennis players to not play one event?

Sanctions are sanctions. You cannot cherry pick.
 
#203 ·
Please provide any quotes or evidence whereby they have advocated or supported the current Russian regime policies & then we can talk.
Please provide any evidence that any of the pro russian player opposed the war and the war crimes of their nation?
And don't come with such a shit, that these players have no connection to their nation. They play officially for russia, the play under the russian flag, the pay money to russia, they often pronounce how proud theiy are to be russian, etc. These guys are connected to russia and, hence, have to speak out that they oppose this damned russian war of their damned nation. Not standing up to crimes of your group is a crime itself.
 
#206 ·
I don't think any competition organise committee should ban Russian players. ATP and WTA should work with banks and financial review agencies to deposit tournament prize into designated accounts and ensure that no prize are used to fund wars instead.
 
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#210 ·
Hell of a question. As someone who has personally suffered sanctions and worse, I have, and still approve of them, despite my first-hand experience.
I realize how unfair it seems to punish innocent people, but, after decades of consideration, I have concluded that there really aren't that many innocent people around.
Recent elections in Russia have obviously been a complete sham, but there must have been times in the past when he was elected through the actual will of the people.
Well, those people are now paying the price for their decision back then.
I cannot think of better way to make things better on this planet than to start making it more and more uncomfortable for the, well, cattle, until it permeates down to the DNA level of everyone that the need for leaders like Putin is very much a thing of the past.
 
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#211 ·
Speed the process up and remove the so-called cattle from the premises, no? Don't forget to remove yourself too when you're done though.
 
#213 ·
This means Novak lose 2000 points after wimbledon and the number one ranking then. Assuming he don’t lose that here at the French open already! 😱
 
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